For anyone who might still be popping in here for updates; it seems as if Parival LLC has been dissolved.
I am honestly quite upset, since people have supported this games development through Kickstarter and have donated $8,184 (main funding goal was $2,000) and I am unsure if anyone has ever received their Kickstarter rewards.
Plus, the fact that we have given money in support of the side game, which was supposedly going towards the main game's development.
This is what I hate about indie VN developers. Stop trying to start a gaming business when you're still in the middle of university or have work commitment where you'll be treating indie game dev as nothing more than a side project. The fact that Parival listed themselves as a legit small business and even accepted funding for their game's development, is no excuse to shirk responsibilities and then cry about being busy with university and work.
Why start a company then? I see this happen with so many new indie VN popping up and it's fine if it's a free game and they're not a registered business, but the moment you start demanding funds and register yourself as a business, you are then creating and selling a product.
Building and maintaining a business is no small feat and should not be taken lightly. I seriously wish more people can understand this, before diving in and starting an LLC and selling products. Especially when money has been given to Parival and since it's done through Kickstarter, everyone has virtually signed an agreement understanding that projects might not meet the goal and refund is impossible if that were the case. (I am unsure how it works if the goal has been met but the company decides to run off with the money). This creates a liability issue and of course, I truly wish in cases such as these legal matters can be brought in to resolve the issue and people can get refunded.
It's devastating to see a project drop dead and I had such high hopes for this game, since there's not that many dark BL games out there that are Western and I loved how we got a protagonist that is morally grey. The voice actors have done a fantastic job in bringing these characters to life and the gameplay mechanics and story premise was truly refreshing to see.
Any "discord" news I am taking with a grain of salt, since Parival should have been communicating openly on public profiles such as this page for updates/news. I don't understand why they'd make update/news on a private server such as discord. Especially if ownership has been given to someone new and development is being resumed. Why not share that publicly on here? It's been years now, so I am assuming that development has ceased long ago and that the so-called "discord" news is false.
It's because of these scammers that I completely avoid any "support for ongoing / beta / early access"; HATE them so much for scamming people who love and supported them, such betrayal of trust! -Hereby deleting this from my ongoing game list, RIP-
Thank you for the update on this. It is so gross to me that this studio accepted money for this project and then just decided they couldn't be bothered to finish it. It's completely disrespectful to all the people who had faith in this project and spent money to see it created. running off with 8K+ dollars is absolutely insane to me. If anyone who donated to the kickstarter reads this, did you ever get the rewards you were promised?
Not quite sure which trail to ensue given the Development log capped at Aug 04, 2020, nor am I confident in guessing whether or not the game is still...active?
Where did the development vacate to? Or is it on break? I paid for and played through the Side Game, yet I am confused as to what/where the main game went...development or otherwise.
i too am very unsure, since the creator has deleted their patreon, which might indicate ending any and all development. HOWEVER, arguably development ended in 2021, rather than 2020 as you stated, due to the summer game being released. it is a shame bout the lack of release anyway.
okay so first things first, where can we find these new updates, in what discord? I apologize I’ve never seen them b4! Two, who is taking over this game? If anyone is- I’ve seen buzz about this being took over, and people getting discord updates- and I’ve never personally seen or heard of them till now- I also see some fighting in the comments, I understand some people wanna defend the creator due to having a hard time, I can agree on that. But I also agree on why people are pissed- they spent a lot of money on this game, and was so excited about it, only to get their hopes dashed. The only thing saving them, is a few comments from you guys, so while I appreciate you all sticking up for them, I know no one asked for my opinion lolol but still, let people feel there hurt, because it’s completely okay! If they backed the game, and lost money on it, they are allowed to be hurt and upset for having something they love ruined for them-
It’s okay, everyone. Either we are getting this game or not, I just wish communication from them is better- and I hope they get better, but what I hope for as well, is that they gave the game to someone else. At this point, someone else should take it. They haven’t done anything for this game in almost 4 years (that being main game)
What I came to say here, is where is the proof of us getting a chance to have it again, it’s doubtful so please don’t get your hopes up.
I don’t wanna be harsh here, or rude or sound like I don’t care because I’m sure we all do, but devs
Give this game to someone else. It’s okay to walk away from something that is stressing you, a post about this and who it’s going to would be nice, and in the future
Please be more transparent, I understand it’s hard, and we get that, but tell people what’s going on, let us know what we put our money into.
TLDR- Where’s the discord, where’s the proof of this game being done, who’s it going to, be transparent devs, and please give this game to someone else.
i've heard that the new expected release date is in 2024. i suppose we'll wait and see if they deliver this time. i've been halfway following the development of this game for three or so years now. i haven't really got any emotional or financial investment, since i didn't pay for it... but i still thought it would be cool. the demo impressed me at the time. i miss this game. i hope something comes of it.
The new developper (announced a year ago officially on the discord channel) is actually reworking the script. The new timeline seems to be 2024.
You can actually see the entire answer from the original developper on the discord channel in the topic named questions_about_1d. And the last year update in the annoucements topic.
Yes. I finally gave up like almost everyone else. I don't even know if their discord channel still works. It has only been 8 months since the news it was taken over but well... It's a long time overall.
Man, I just saw that update from the dev and woah... I hope everyone in the team is doing alright. We can wait for the game, just take care of your well being you guys! Hope you're all safe <3
hey, im sorry to ask but since i cant find the update could cou maybe be so kind and tell me what they said? I still havent given up on the game and would really love to know what happend and what they said in the updat
Oh thx so much! I also saw a post from like 124 days ago where someone posted a discord update and it sounds really tough... hope they all feel better soon!
oh please. Every single game developer on sites like this do the same song and dance. When people have paid, and backed project, you dont get to say "my brain feels funny" and shut down a project. People like you want zero accountability and THATS the biggest problem with developers like this. If youre a mentally unstable person, or just unstable in life, you dont kickstart, and fully fund a project, then disappear for a long time. Grow up.
calm tf down and check your tone. read the comment from le20. i get being frustrated as someone that backed the game up, but even then these choices of words would not be it.
they really did shit in the way they didn't update things here on their main site and weren't transparent in that communication esp. here. or they didn't at least make a big fat "indefinite hiatus" sign here and i hope ppl that backed them, will get their money back or somehow if the game like parival said actually will get done with jackie, that there will be something for those that backed them up.
but you aren't even one of the ones that supported the game (ppl can read the comments one posts), so you can just shut your mouth and sit down, if what comes out of you is just not at all helpful. i didn't back the game either and i'm disappointed as well and get that the backers are frustrated but you don't see me or other ppl pulling the same shit here, bc frankly we are the last ones that should feel entitled to this. esp. given what happened in the dev team.
If they have a bad situation which is understandable, and are unable to ever finish the game, due to personal situation, they haveto refund eveything, simple as that. But don't forget that they can put a big "hiatus" then after 5 years, run off with the money, delete this page, like nothing happened, expecting that people will forget.
And them not updating their main page here, leads me to believe that this is very likely. It's not that hard to post updates here, simply copy past with the words "We are still here, we are not leaving the project" is enough. Otherwise, it gives the impression that they don't give a shit. So Ofc people should call them out and not forget.
I am saying it as a person who supported them on Kickstarter. So, I believe that simply defending them after 3 years, is not fair at all.
I'm not at all arguing this. Ppl who backed up the game, like you. They are rightfully so pissed. And they have to be refunded or in any other way compensated (which I also said above) but I'm pretty sure that I was clear on specifically calling out ppl that did not financially support the game that now completely insensitively and loudly act as if their opinion on this matter is the most important, and as if the choice of words couldn't be more appropriate. Voicing your disappointment is not just understandable but very valid in this situation, esp. if you backed the game. But here just see, you are one that backed up the game and you're still able to voice your disappointment in an appropriate manner. And that is what I was talking about.
I 100% agree that their communication has been shit and intransparent (which I also called out on the comment you replied to), which is my biggest complain in this whole situation. So on that part of course, they should have from the beginning update their website here, bc it's the main site. So I'm not arguing with you and definitely get your assumption that it just feels icky and that it might seem like they just want ppl to forget (personally i don't believe that but the assumption I do get)!! I really really hope that they update this site here soon, bc how can ppl not think that the game is abandoned if this main site here is not being updated with a big "Indefinite Hiatus. The game is still worked on though. More updates to follow." or whatever.
But we both should be able to agree on that there is a difference between 1) very validly so like you voicing your criticism, disappointment in the intransparent communication and calling them out for breaking our and esp. y'all backers trust; or 2) more or less simply shitting on the dev team and talking about how you don't care about the very serious and heartbreaking shit that has been going on bts and belittling their situation by being extremely disrespectful "my brain feels funny" or "mentally unstable person", even though some person (the one i mentioned in my comment) in this comment section literally explained what happened behind the scenes with one person in the dev team, and other things that happened with deaths of parents and such. And that the game is still worked on (again here 100% agree that this belongs on this site here as an update!!!).
So my comment was never: "oh how can you not support the devs or this game anymore. how can you lose hope and trust." Bc that part is very understandably not there anymore for A LOT of ppl. Backers or not. My comment is about basically not being a disrespectful asshole. Especially if you didn't even back up the game. And I do stand by that comment.
Alright, I understand better what you mean this way, since again I myself had much less of an idea of what's happening because of the bad communication. No disrespect to the death and struggles of anyone at all off. I understand very well how bad life can get, and I hope the dev team are fine.
I agree with you on most things. But thing is, the situation is so bad, that it feels like no matter what backers say, we are trapped in this dead space. So when non-backers voice criticism (even when slightly mean), I feel some comfort in it, cause otherwise, it feels like nothing will ever change.
No matter how we look at that, it's still a virtual space, and there is not much we can do. I wanna be more empathetic, I wanna be nicer, but after 3 years, it's hard to believe in things dev team says, to be 100% honest with you. Not because I have some malicious thoughts for dev team ofc. Again nothing like that at all. But because, there was no communication in here, no communication on Kickstarter. Nothing at all.
+At this point, I don't believe that money will be given back, not even because of 3 years, but all due to dev team's attitude towards it's supporters. And when people feel that nothing will change, they are salty and angry obviously.
3 years and 0 communication here. Patreon deleted. The small updates on discord mean nothing, since they hold no weight. Deleting accounts on discord is very easy, and then can be bam, "what game, what creator? never heard of them". It's just more time passes, the less likely anything at all will happen, that's just how unfortunate it is.
I am against being disrespectfull to dev team myself, but again I don't think we should just "chill out".
Other signs of dead game: Instagram page is deleted and Patreon content was wiped(only their profile ramain, but no posts).
On the other hand, they're still taking orders for the dakimakura...Does anybody know if somebody actually ordered it and devs actually shipped the product?
In regards to the discord which I haven't been onto in a few months, it seems like there has finally been more of an update. Here's what Parival has said as of recently this past summer:
So...I don't know what this means for the game, nor why they can't provide these same updates on their other platforms. I also just wonder if it will really end up getting finished? Idk tbh. As of right now, I feel like we all just have more questions vs answers/replies. It's still not guaranteed in my opinion, based off of how Parival has dealt with things via communications/their customers/audience.
So, Im not sure I want to go with Parival's words just yet, until we actually see some more progress being done visually, and we hear news from Jackie's end. But, this new update still doesn't really change my stance on how I feel with things in regards with how communications have gone down. I guess only time will tell 🤷♀️, hopefully it will come out some day.
And to Parival, I do hope, that you get better soon for what it's worth, despite how I feel about the state of this game. I know personally and on a similar level some of the things you're going through, and I hope you've managed to get some help for your mental/physical health. Because, that's always the most important, at the end of the day.
For anyone struggling with mental health in the US (I live here, so I can't unfortunately provide other means of help as I wouldn't know of any):
1st Source:
Suicide & Crisis Lifeline- SMS: 988 Call: 988
Official Website: 988lifeline.org (available 24/7)
2nd Source: plz text HOME to 741741
Official Website: crisistextline.org (available 24/7)
Either of these two sources are available at any time, for any crisis, or even not in a crisis --but you're still a bad place? Will work from anywhere in the US.
Still need help, but don't feel like you need those sources? Then I also highly recommend reaching out to your medical network/insurance, or another adult/family member who can refer you to available therapists/counselors in your area asap. It's always good to strive to take care of our mental health, and that we see to it that it doesn't get worse.
Oh man, that stinks that it's inactive. I had no idea. Im not sure how to help, since that's originally where I got my link invite. And I don't think I can share discord links, I believe only the owner of the discord can make new ones. Guess they also don't want any more people going onto their discord...😭💀
I'm not sure what you mean? Ypress isn't taking over helping this game, so you shouldn't spread misinformation😅. Maybe you thought that because of Jackie being mentioned whose taking over? But she's her own person/individual, and isn't a part of any company as far as I know.
Also, if Ypress did take over, I think everyone would mostly just be glad that they'd offer their support & finances just to get it done and to have something🤣.
Also, when you take over another game already in the process of being made, you tend to leave the story/art to whomever was doing so beforehand...in order to help keep the story cohesive, or to find someone new who can match that style.
I misunderstood the associate part. Also Ypress has actively taken over/assisted in the development of multiple incomplete games and reworked aspects of it into something I am not fond of. So it's always a possibility.
and yes I'm sure there are people that would be happy about it, just like there are people like me that would not be happy considering the amount of rapey shit ypress does LMAO?
Tbh, I dont think that's how taking over a game from another company works at all, because then it's a completely different game and you might as well make a whole new game vs continuing what you were doing. I just meant that I think people would be happy the game gets done at all😅. Since Ypress is usually just the financer in cases like that.
Ypress mostly leaves things like the original story and art up to the first devs. Take for example: Sentimental Trickster, which Ypress took over. No non con whatsoever.
And personally? To each their own, if people want to play games w/non con. Darker games can actually help heal you from your own trauma (speaking from experience). I also personally think that Ypress games, is one of the few sex positive/consenting LGBTQ+ indie companies out there with the majority of their games being 100% consensual except a few. And only a couple of those few containing non con sex with clear warning descriptions.
But if you dislike them, you dislike them. To each their own, right?
I posted on here 2yrs ago in support/encouragement/and hopes that everything would be all right with this game and for the dev, since it hadn't been too long at that time since a nice, detailed update was provided. I can without a doubt say that this project is dead to me right now, and I'm sorry to see it so. Perhaps it will come out some day, perhaps it won't. Personally, they've had two years, almost three now --to give a detailed update/response on what's realllly going on with the game, and what the future realistically holds for it/them.
But they've personally chosen to avoid every question asked, NOT to provide any detailed updates, and constantly ignore the questions about the game, or vaguely answer them on their discord server as being in a "haitus" or "working on it on the side." That's bad business/customer service to me. So as far as I feel and believe? This game is dead and I probably will veer away from supporting Parival in the future. There has to be give and receive for trust to take place.
What irks me about Parival is that they never seemed to understand how to take their business seriously. There was always a reason for production to be delayed or they were managing their responsibilities poorly and got swamped with other priorities and had to put their game on hold. They are a business offering a product to us (the customers). If it was free then fine, but it's a paid product that was funded. The moment I found out that the devs were busy with university/work, was the moment I realized that Parival as a business was nothing more than a "side hobby or side hustle" for these people. They were irresponsible with their time management or picked the wrong moment to start a gaming company when they were busy with other priorities and responsibilities (i.e., university and their jobs).
I absolutely would veer away from this team and perhaps Parival would be an example to others that starting a game company and developing games should not be treated lightly. It doesn't matter if it's an indie game, a business is a business and should be treated as such.
Just posting this update for those without a Discord: today, the devs said in the server for this game that “An associate of mine is working on the production at the moment and will make an update later this year”. Vague, yes, but it’s something…
when i emailed them a year ago, they said something similar. i just hope it's closer to the truth this time. when i saw the discord update i got very cautiously hopeful again.
Honestly sounds like an excuse. I was wondering why they were active in the discord but not responding to people on this site. Priorities are messed up
I'm so sad this got abandoned I really really enjoyed the demo...why must such skilled developers scam instead of just finishing their games? They clearly have the talent, I don't get it.
I posted a comment here a year ago basically saying "don't get your hopes up for this one, the devs have a bad reputation" and unfortunately it looks like I was right. It's a shame for everyone who trusted you guys and spent money on this scam.
Y'all, best thing you can do right now is to remember the name "Parival" and avoid it like the plague next time they create a new project to steal money from unsuspecting people.
Let's just face it: the game is abandoned. They took the money and ran.
It's the middle of April 2022 and they still have the "RELEASING IN 2021" up. There are no updates literally anywhere, and they were silent for two years already.
I get it that they might've had some problems in real life, but the only excuse they have for POSTING LITERALLY NOTHING for two years is being dead. People pledged their money for this project, they were supporting the developers for years, and they don't even get an explanation on why the game they've been waiting for is not getting updates anymore.
The devs should be ashamed of themselves. They not only ran with the money, but betrayed the trust of people who loved and supported their project.
Let's be honest - that's not the first project that had problems with development, but it's the first time I had seen such negativity in the comments long before that. Talking about accountability, money, respect, high on self-righteousness - I don't think that helped either.
I'll have to disagree, people only ever raised concerns (and valid ones considering this will end up being a paid product one day) when the Devs started to delay updates and make basically no progress. Even now some people are trying to defend the Devs absence, which I'm very baffled by. Since all it would have taken to avoid this mess, is for them to log in, just say whether the project is discontinued or not and refund people if it is. There's no shame in discontinuing a game, but there is in not being responsible enough to let everyone know and return the money people have invested, in hopes of ever seeing the finished game.
Honestly, this is the first time I've seen such patience and kindness from fans in game development on something that is trying to basically sell itself for 4+ years and has kept making empty promises to its own customers. That's my own take, the very least.
i remember making a comment here almost a year ago defending the devs of this game, when i was much more hopeful about its release, but i'm not so hopeful anymore. i at least hope that if the game is truly abandoned, you'll tell us that much, and refund the backers who paid you money.
I've been looking for updates on this game for years and it is very disappointing to see that this game looks like it has died... I was so hyped and excited for this game.
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damn, i was looking for new games to buy, and this one seemed so freaking cool...
Thank you Heycid for the update... this is too bad for the game and us/unforgivable... i hope people got their money back...
I REALLY WANT SOMEONE TO BUY THIS GAME OFF THIS PERSON AND MAKE IT UNBELIVABELY AMAZING! Out of anger and frustration of what we didn't get. :(
Sameeeeee
WHEN WILL THE GAME RELEASED ????? I'M BARKING FOR IT
Neverr, they canceled it😭
For anyone who might still be popping in here for updates; it seems as if Parival LLC has been dissolved.
I am honestly quite upset, since people have supported this games development through Kickstarter and have donated $8,184 (main funding goal was $2,000) and I am unsure if anyone has ever received their Kickstarter rewards.
Plus, the fact that we have given money in support of the side game, which was supposedly going towards the main game's development.
This is what I hate about indie VN developers. Stop trying to start a gaming business when you're still in the middle of university or have work commitment where you'll be treating indie game dev as nothing more than a side project. The fact that Parival listed themselves as a legit small business and even accepted funding for their game's development, is no excuse to shirk responsibilities and then cry about being busy with university and work.
Why start a company then? I see this happen with so many new indie VN popping up and it's fine if it's a free game and they're not a registered business, but the moment you start demanding funds and register yourself as a business, you are then creating and selling a product.
Building and maintaining a business is no small feat and should not be taken lightly. I seriously wish more people can understand this, before diving in and starting an LLC and selling products. Especially when money has been given to Parival and since it's done through Kickstarter, everyone has virtually signed an agreement understanding that projects might not meet the goal and refund is impossible if that were the case. (I am unsure how it works if the goal has been met but the company decides to run off with the money). This creates a liability issue and of course, I truly wish in cases such as these legal matters can be brought in to resolve the issue and people can get refunded.
It's devastating to see a project drop dead and I had such high hopes for this game, since there's not that many dark BL games out there that are Western and I loved how we got a protagonist that is morally grey. The voice actors have done a fantastic job in bringing these characters to life and the gameplay mechanics and story premise was truly refreshing to see.
Any "discord" news I am taking with a grain of salt, since Parival should have been communicating openly on public profiles such as this page for updates/news. I don't understand why they'd make update/news on a private server such as discord. Especially if ownership has been given to someone new and development is being resumed. Why not share that publicly on here? It's been years now, so I am assuming that development has ceased long ago and that the so-called "discord" news is false.
It's because of these scammers that I completely avoid any "support for ongoing / beta / early access"; HATE them so much for scamming people who love and supported them, such betrayal of trust! -Hereby deleting this from my ongoing game list, RIP-
Thank you for the update on this. It is so gross to me that this studio accepted money for this project and then just decided they couldn't be bothered to finish it. It's completely disrespectful to all the people who had faith in this project and spent money to see it created. running off with 8K+ dollars is absolutely insane to me. If anyone who donated to the kickstarter reads this, did you ever get the rewards you were promised?
I REALLY WANT SOMEONE TO BUY THIS GAME OFF THIS PERSON AND MAKE IT UNBELIVABELY AMAZING! Out of anger and frustration of what we didn't get. :(
Thank you for your comment. I didnt know how bad the situation is (┳◇┳)
Are there any updates as to the development of the game?
SO fking sad this game and everything surrounding it just...died. Was genuinely looking forward to it.
I really fell in love with the characters and the entire concept 😅
Not quite sure which trail to ensue given the Development log capped at Aug 04, 2020, nor am I confident in guessing whether or not the game is still...active?
Where did the development vacate to? Or is it on break? I paid for and played through the Side Game, yet I am confused as to what/where the main game went...development or otherwise.
i too am very unsure, since the creator has deleted their patreon, which might indicate ending any and all development. HOWEVER, arguably development ended in 2021, rather than 2020 as you stated, due to the summer game being released. it is a shame bout the lack of release anyway.
will the full release be free. cause i love this game sm right neow
I really enjoyed this demo. I hope to see it become a full release some day.
I remember playing this years ago! I hope to see that one day this game will make a huge comeback. :)
still waiting for the new update...🥲
dislike of pda is so real
Can I date both twins? That would be hot
okay so first things first, where can we find these new updates, in what discord? I apologize I’ve never seen them b4! Two, who is taking over this game? If anyone is- I’ve seen buzz about this being took over, and people getting discord updates- and I’ve never personally seen or heard of them till now- I also see some fighting in the comments, I understand some people wanna defend the creator due to having a hard time, I can agree on that. But I also agree on why people are pissed- they spent a lot of money on this game, and was so excited about it, only to get their hopes dashed. The only thing saving them, is a few comments from you guys, so while I appreciate you all sticking up for them, I know no one asked for my opinion lolol but still, let people feel there hurt, because it’s completely okay! If they backed the game, and lost money on it, they are allowed to be hurt and upset for having something they love ruined for them-
It’s okay, everyone. Either we are getting this game or not, I just wish communication from them is better- and I hope they get better, but what I hope for as well, is that they gave the game to someone else. At this point, someone else should take it. They haven’t done anything for this game in almost 4 years (that being main game)
What I came to say here, is where is the proof of us getting a chance to have it again, it’s doubtful so please don’t get your hopes up.
I don’t wanna be harsh here, or rude or sound like I don’t care because I’m sure we all do, but devs
Give this game to someone else. It’s okay to walk away from something that is stressing you, a post about this and who it’s going to would be nice, and in the future
Please be more transparent, I understand it’s hard, and we get that, but tell people what’s going on, let us know what we put our money into.
TLDR- Where’s the discord, where’s the proof of this game being done, who’s it going to, be transparent devs, and please give this game to someone else.
i've heard that the new expected release date is in 2024. i suppose we'll wait and see if they deliver this time. i've been halfway following the development of this game for three or so years now. i haven't really got any emotional or financial investment, since i didn't pay for it... but i still thought it would be cool. the demo impressed me at the time. i miss this game. i hope something comes of it.
Thank you for the update! I really want to see this game actually finish since concept is just so good
Ohhh so the full game isn't out yet :O Damn I thought I was tripping because all I could find was the demo no matter where I looked lmao
When is this game finished?
Can't wait for the update!
Bunny
Any update?
The new developper (announced a year ago officially on the discord channel) is actually reworking the script. The new timeline seems to be 2024.
You can actually see the entire answer from the original developper on the discord channel in the topic named questions_about_1d. And the last year update in the annoucements topic.
So there is still hope.
Thank you so much for letting me know!!! <3
hmmm well its march 2024 now...............
Yes. I finally gave up like almost everyone else. I don't even know if their discord channel still works. It has only been 8 months since the news it was taken over but well... It's a long time overall.
Man, I just saw that update from the dev and woah... I hope everyone in the team is doing alright. We can wait for the game, just take care of your well being you guys! Hope you're all safe <3
hey, im sorry to ask but since i cant find the update could cou maybe be so kind and tell me what they said? I still havent given up on the game and would really love to know what happend and what they said in the updat
I saw the one from their "development log" (not the latest update though), here:
https://parival.itch.io/1st-degree/devlog/161457/dev-update-43-release-date-for-...
Oh thx so much! I also saw a post from like 124 days ago where someone posted a discord update and it sounds really tough... hope they all feel better soon!
Chill out people, it seems like they've been going through a lot already. A game does not matter more than someone's mental and physical well being.
oh please. Every single game developer on sites like this do the same song and dance. When people have paid, and backed project, you dont get to say "my brain feels funny" and shut down a project. People like you want zero accountability and THATS the biggest problem with developers like this. If youre a mentally unstable person, or just unstable in life, you dont kickstart, and fully fund a project, then disappear for a long time. Grow up.
calm tf down and check your tone. read the comment from le20. i get being frustrated as someone that backed the game up, but even then these choices of words would not be it.
they really did shit in the way they didn't update things here on their main site and weren't transparent in that communication esp. here. or they didn't at least make a big fat "indefinite hiatus" sign here and i hope ppl that backed them, will get their money back or somehow if the game like parival said actually will get done with jackie, that there will be something for those that backed them up.
but you aren't even one of the ones that supported the game (ppl can read the comments one posts), so you can just shut your mouth and sit down, if what comes out of you is just not at all helpful. i didn't back the game either and i'm disappointed as well and get that the backers are frustrated but you don't see me or other ppl pulling the same shit here, bc frankly we are the last ones that should feel entitled to this. esp. given what happened in the dev team.
If they have a bad situation which is understandable, and are unable to ever finish the game, due to personal situation, they haveto refund eveything, simple as that. But don't forget that they can put a big "hiatus" then after 5 years, run off with the money, delete this page, like nothing happened, expecting that people will forget.
And them not updating their main page here, leads me to believe that this is very likely. It's not that hard to post updates here, simply copy past with the words "We are still here, we are not leaving the project" is enough. Otherwise, it gives the impression that they don't give a shit. So Ofc people should call them out and not forget.
I am saying it as a person who supported them on Kickstarter. So, I believe that simply defending them after 3 years, is not fair at all.
I'm not at all arguing this. Ppl who backed up the game, like you. They are rightfully so pissed. And they have to be refunded or in any other way compensated (which I also said above) but I'm pretty sure that I was clear on specifically calling out ppl that did not financially support the game that now completely insensitively and loudly act as if their opinion on this matter is the most important, and as if the choice of words couldn't be more appropriate. Voicing your disappointment is not just understandable but very valid in this situation, esp. if you backed the game. But here just see, you are one that backed up the game and you're still able to voice your disappointment in an appropriate manner. And that is what I was talking about.
I 100% agree that their communication has been shit and intransparent (which I also called out on the comment you replied to), which is my biggest complain in this whole situation. So on that part of course, they should have from the beginning update their website here, bc it's the main site. So I'm not arguing with you and definitely get your assumption that it just feels icky and that it might seem like they just want ppl to forget (personally i don't believe that but the assumption I do get)!! I really really hope that they update this site here soon, bc how can ppl not think that the game is abandoned if this main site here is not being updated with a big "Indefinite Hiatus. The game is still worked on though. More updates to follow." or whatever.
But we both should be able to agree on that there is a difference between 1) very validly so like you voicing your criticism, disappointment in the intransparent communication and calling them out for breaking our and esp. y'all backers trust; or 2) more or less simply shitting on the dev team and talking about how you don't care about the very serious and heartbreaking shit that has been going on bts and belittling their situation by being extremely disrespectful "my brain feels funny" or "mentally unstable person", even though some person (the one i mentioned in my comment) in this comment section literally explained what happened behind the scenes with one person in the dev team, and other things that happened with deaths of parents and such. And that the game is still worked on (again here 100% agree that this belongs on this site here as an update!!!).
So my comment was never: "oh how can you not support the devs or this game anymore. how can you lose hope and trust." Bc that part is very understandably not there anymore for A LOT of ppl. Backers or not. My comment is about basically not being a disrespectful asshole. Especially if you didn't even back up the game. And I do stand by that comment.
Alright, I understand better what you mean this way, since again I myself had much less of an idea of what's happening because of the bad communication. No disrespect to the death and struggles of anyone at all off. I understand very well how bad life can get, and I hope the dev team are fine.
I agree with you on most things. But thing is, the situation is so bad, that it feels like no matter what backers say, we are trapped in this dead space. So when non-backers voice criticism (even when slightly mean), I feel some comfort in it, cause otherwise, it feels like nothing will ever change.
No matter how we look at that, it's still a virtual space, and there is not much we can do. I wanna be more empathetic, I wanna be nicer, but after 3 years, it's hard to believe in things dev team says, to be 100% honest with you. Not because I have some malicious thoughts for dev team ofc. Again nothing like that at all. But because, there was no communication in here, no communication on Kickstarter. Nothing at all.
+At this point, I don't believe that money will be given back, not even because of 3 years, but all due to dev team's attitude towards it's supporters. And when people feel that nothing will change, they are salty and angry obviously.
3 years and 0 communication here. Patreon deleted. The small updates on discord mean nothing, since they hold no weight. Deleting accounts on discord is very easy, and then can be bam, "what game, what creator? never heard of them". It's just more time passes, the less likely anything at all will happen, that's just how unfortunate it is.
I am against being disrespectfull to dev team myself, but again I don't think we should just "chill out".
me in 2020: IM SO HYPED ITS COMING OUT NEXT YEAR
me in 2023: wait this still exists?- thought they dropped it or some shit
this is just sad at this point. i had so many hopes for this back when it was announced.
last updated 2020 lmao. too bad
Other signs of dead game: Instagram page is deleted and Patreon content was wiped(only their profile ramain, but no posts).
On the other hand, they're still taking orders for the dakimakura...Does anybody know if somebody actually ordered it and devs actually shipped the product?
In regards to the discord which I haven't been onto in a few months, it seems like there has finally been more of an update. Here's what Parival has said as of recently this past summer:
So...I don't know what this means for the game, nor why they can't provide these same updates on their other platforms. I also just wonder if it will really end up getting finished? Idk tbh. As of right now, I feel like we all just have more questions vs answers/replies. It's still not guaranteed in my opinion, based off of how Parival has dealt with things via communications/their customers/audience.
So, Im not sure I want to go with Parival's words just yet, until we actually see some more progress being done visually, and we hear news from Jackie's end. But, this new update still doesn't really change my stance on how I feel with things in regards with how communications have gone down. I guess only time will tell 🤷♀️, hopefully it will come out some day.
And to Parival, I do hope, that you get better soon for what it's worth, despite how I feel about the state of this game. I know personally and on a similar level some of the things you're going through, and I hope you've managed to get some help for your mental/physical health. Because, that's always the most important, at the end of the day.
For anyone struggling with mental health in the US (I live here, so I can't unfortunately provide other means of help as I wouldn't know of any):
1st Source:
Suicide & Crisis Lifeline- SMS: 988 Call: 988
Official Website: 988lifeline.org (available 24/7)
2nd Source: plz text HOME to 741741
Official Website: crisistextline.org (available 24/7)
Either of these two sources are available at any time, for any crisis, or even not in a crisis --but you're still a bad place? Will work from anywhere in the US.
Still need help, but don't feel like you need those sources? Then I also highly recommend reaching out to your medical network/insurance, or another adult/family member who can refer you to available therapists/counselors in your area asap. It's always good to strive to take care of our mental health, and that we see to it that it doesn't get worse.
Hey, mind telling me where can I get a discord link to their server? The link posted here and on their Twitter is inactive.
Oh man, that stinks that it's inactive. I had no idea. Im not sure how to help, since that's originally where I got my link invite. And I don't think I can share discord links, I believe only the owner of the discord can make new ones. Guess they also don't want any more people going onto their discord...😭💀
Seeing this and groaning as Y Press takes over another game... Their writing is so terrible otl
I'm not sure what you mean? Ypress isn't taking over helping this game, so you shouldn't spread misinformation😅. Maybe you thought that because of Jackie being mentioned whose taking over? But she's her own person/individual, and isn't a part of any company as far as I know.
Also, if Ypress did take over, I think everyone would mostly just be glad that they'd offer their support & finances just to get it done and to have something🤣.
Also, when you take over another game already in the process of being made, you tend to leave the story/art to whomever was doing so beforehand...in order to help keep the story cohesive, or to find someone new who can match that style.
I misunderstood the associate part. Also Ypress has actively taken over/assisted in the development of multiple incomplete games and reworked aspects of it into something I am not fond of. So it's always a possibility.
and yes I'm sure there are people that would be happy about it, just like there are people like me that would not be happy considering the amount of rapey shit ypress does LMAO?
Tbh, I dont think that's how taking over a game from another company works at all, because then it's a completely different game and you might as well make a whole new game vs continuing what you were doing. I just meant that I think people would be happy the game gets done at all😅. Since Ypress is usually just the financer in cases like that.
Ypress mostly leaves things like the original story and art up to the first devs. Take for example: Sentimental Trickster, which Ypress took over. No non con whatsoever.
And personally? To each their own, if people want to play games w/non con. Darker games can actually help heal you from your own trauma (speaking from experience). I also personally think that Ypress games, is one of the few sex positive/consenting LGBTQ+ indie companies out there with the majority of their games being 100% consensual except a few. And only a couple of those few containing non con sex with clear warning descriptions.
But if you dislike them, you dislike them. To each their own, right?
I posted on here 2yrs ago in support/encouragement/and hopes that everything would be all right with this game and for the dev, since it hadn't been too long at that time since a nice, detailed update was provided. I can without a doubt say that this project is dead to me right now, and I'm sorry to see it so. Perhaps it will come out some day, perhaps it won't. Personally, they've had two years, almost three now --to give a detailed update/response on what's realllly going on with the game, and what the future realistically holds for it/them.
But they've personally chosen to avoid every question asked, NOT to provide any detailed updates, and constantly ignore the questions about the game, or vaguely answer them on their discord server as being in a "haitus" or "working on it on the side." That's bad business/customer service to me. So as far as I feel and believe? This game is dead and I probably will veer away from supporting Parival in the future. There has to be give and receive for trust to take place.
What irks me about Parival is that they never seemed to understand how to take their business seriously. There was always a reason for production to be delayed or they were managing their responsibilities poorly and got swamped with other priorities and had to put their game on hold. They are a business offering a product to us (the customers). If it was free then fine, but it's a paid product that was funded. The moment I found out that the devs were busy with university/work, was the moment I realized that Parival as a business was nothing more than a "side hobby or side hustle" for these people. They were irresponsible with their time management or picked the wrong moment to start a gaming company when they were busy with other priorities and responsibilities (i.e., university and their jobs).
I absolutely would veer away from this team and perhaps Parival would be an example to others that starting a game company and developing games should not be treated lightly. It doesn't matter if it's an indie game, a business is a business and should be treated as such.
As a backer, all I want to say is this:
Fuck you, Parival and fuck you shitty Discord channel
about to be 2023 im so sorry to the people who put so much money into this game. thank you to the ones who warned me.
Just posting this update for those without a Discord: today, the devs said in the server for this game that “An associate of mine is working on the production at the moment and will make an update later this year”. Vague, yes, but it’s something…
when i emailed them a year ago, they said something similar. i just hope it's closer to the truth this time. when i saw the discord update i got very cautiously hopeful again.
Honestly sounds like an excuse. I was wondering why they were active in the discord but not responding to people on this site. Priorities are messed up
I'm so sad this got abandoned I really really enjoyed the demo...why must such skilled developers scam instead of just finishing their games? They clearly have the talent, I don't get it.
I posted a comment here a year ago basically saying "don't get your hopes up for this one, the devs have a bad reputation" and unfortunately it looks like I was right. It's a shame for everyone who trusted you guys and spent money on this scam.
Y'all, best thing you can do right now is to remember the name "Parival" and avoid it like the plague next time they create a new project to steal money from unsuspecting people.
tbh i feel like their the same dev from all men are pigs idk..
Such a shame.... I feel so bad for the people that spent money, time and wait on this project. I hope one day, it will be recovered for y'all.
Anyone who is just introduced to this work, beware. Because this project very much likely left behind, and is going to stay here forgotten forever.
Let's just face it: the game is abandoned. They took the money and ran.
It's the middle of April 2022 and they still have the "RELEASING IN 2021" up. There are no updates literally anywhere, and they were silent for two years already.
I get it that they might've had some problems in real life, but the only excuse they have for POSTING LITERALLY NOTHING for two years is being dead. People pledged their money for this project, they were supporting the developers for years, and they don't even get an explanation on why the game they've been waiting for is not getting updates anymore.
The devs should be ashamed of themselves. They not only ran with the money, but betrayed the trust of people who loved and supported their project.
Go screw yourselves, Parival.
Let's be honest - that's not the first project that had problems with development, but it's the first time I had seen such negativity in the comments long before that. Talking about accountability, money, respect, high on self-righteousness - I don't think that helped either.
I'll have to disagree, people only ever raised concerns (and valid ones considering this will end up being a paid product one day) when the Devs started to delay updates and make basically no progress. Even now some people are trying to defend the Devs absence, which I'm very baffled by. Since all it would have taken to avoid this mess, is for them to log in, just say whether the project is discontinued or not and refund people if it is. There's no shame in discontinuing a game, but there is in not being responsible enough to let everyone know and return the money people have invested, in hopes of ever seeing the finished game.
Honestly, this is the first time I've seen such patience and kindness from fans in game development on something that is trying to basically sell itself for 4+ years and has kept making empty promises to its own customers. That's my own take, the very least.
i remember making a comment here almost a year ago defending the devs of this game, when i was much more hopeful about its release, but i'm not so hopeful anymore. i at least hope that if the game is truly abandoned, you'll tell us that much, and refund the backers who paid you money.
I've been looking for updates on this game for years and it is very disappointing to see that this game looks like it has died... I was so hyped and excited for this game.
People have lives, we have no idea what they're going through
This game looks good... but there hasn't been any news since 2020 I guess :(
Sigh...another disappointment.
They might be dealing with something right now and all you care about is their game?
We live in 2022. It would take them a few minutes to write a little update and say "sorry yall stuff happened."
The devs already had a bad reputation when this project was released, though most people were unaware and chose to trust them.
Stop playing dumb. Stop defending con artists, AnonymousLucario.
"RELEASING IN 2021"
Currently in the year 2022. This game went down the same way all men are pigs did..sad. I do hope nothing happened to them.